16 Reasonable Fan Theories In 'Infinity War' And 'End Game'
There's no denying that Avengers: Infinity War and Endgame are the franchise's zenith, and by this point, every single Avengers Easter egg and minor detail has been dug through. . However, there is always new ground to cover when diving into the domain of the hypothetical. In fact, fans may never stop wondering about what really happened in these movies, and that's fine with almost everyone.
1. One Winnable Including The Survival Of Him
Source: Marvel StudioRedditor /u/sonnytron
"I don't think [Strange] was lying... I think he just couldn't see past the scenarios where he dies because he has no idea what happened afterward.
So, by nature of him not being able to see past his own death, he couldn't see scenarios where he lived and Tony survived but they won.
By limiting the scenarios to ones where he survives/returns after the Snap, he was already limiting scenarios to either:1) He survives the battle on Titan.2) He doesn't survive the battle on Titan but is resurrected later.
So, for me, I see this as him thinking when he told Tony:
"Out of 14,000,605 possible endings to the coming battle, narrowed down to the ones where I survived, or I die and come back to life, I only saw one where we win. There might be more, but because I can't see them, I have to treat them as not existing... Which means I can't find a way where we win and you don't die."
2. Tony Stark Could Have Survived If He Had Had Time To Think
Source: Marvel StudioRedditor /u/GameCube99
"Obviously, by the end of the first Avengers movie, we see the [“cut the wire”] line come to fruition, since Tony is willing to make the sacrifice play. However, it’s the next line that I feel is often overlooked in these discussions, especially considering it immediately precedes the “big man in a suit of armor” quote.
“Always a way out.”
Since the beginning of the series, Tony is the tinkerer, the thinker. He has backup plans and contingencies, and when he fails, he corrects those mistakes to the best of his ability. So why did I say all of this?
Strange holding his finger up at the end of Endgame, and the subsequent realization on Tony’s face, is the acceptance that there’s no way out. How many futures had Strange tried telling Tony about his fate? How many times had Strange immediately told Tony what would have to happen? Tony is, at his core, a survivor. In every movie, this rings true, even when he doesn’t want it to.
To me, the only way this outcome could ever work is for Tony to understand that once and for all, there was no way out. How many scenarios had failed because Tony sought another option? Yes, it’s clear he’s willing to make the sacrifice. We learned that from the first Avengers movie - honestly, you could argue we could see it in the first Iron Man.
But the sacrifice play is only taken if it’s the last possible option. He will search again and again for an escape, a way to preserve himself. The beauty of that final moment, that look of understanding in Tony’s eyes, is the argument coming full circle. Just as Cap had proven himself worthy of Mjolnir just a short while earlier, Tony proves himself willing to lay down on the wire. After a lifetime of cutting it, or finding some other means to save himself and everyone, he sees Strange’s finger and understands his destiny."
3. The Plot Hole In Laura Barton's Phone Call Is Smoothly Fixed By A Guess At Hawkeye’s S.H.I.E.L.D. Privileges
Source: Marvel StudioRedditor /u/OGCelaris
"Hawkeye said that Fury helped him keep his family and home a secret. That probably included phones that did not operate on the normal cell network to keep them from being traced. Something like that probably doesn't have a monthly bill."
4. The Existence Of Morgan Stark Is The Reason Why Doctor Strange Had To Hold Tony Stark In The Dark
Source: Marvel StudioRedditor /u/sonnytron
"Dr. Strange saw that in scenarios where he gave Tony too much information about what happens, Morgan's birth/existence changes how Tony's actions take place after the Snap.
In some timelines, too much information led to Tony not taking part in the Time Heist because of his fear for his daughter growing up without him. In others, he participated but with hesitation and fear, which led to failure.
The worst outcome? Tony and Pepper didn't have Morgan at all. Tony's knowledge of his fate led to him not having a daughter with Pepper at all, which led to Tony going into the Time Heist with too much aggression.
Also, Tony's relationship with Morgan is what made him think of Peter before attempting to create the Time Travel GPS.
I think the Avengers being careful to bring everyone who died back to 2023 and not trying to undo the last five years was critical to the success of the plan and, more importantly, the stability of the universe. But all that goes out the window if Morgan wasn't born, why? Because Tony would want to go back in time and try to have a baby with Pepper again.
Tony was the key to everything, but how little he knew was just as important as him being the one to do the Snap."
5. A Theory Links Thanos’s Actions From ‘Avengers’ To ‘Infinity War’ Through Loki
Source: Marvel StudioRedditor /u/TheMediocreCritic
"TL;DR: Thanos manipulated Loki, giving him the Mind Stone, to get to Nidavellir.
Thanos orchestrated the further corruption of Loki and the New York attack to divide and distract the Asgardians. With the Asgardian royalty destabilized and fighting among themselves, he could attack the unprotected forge of Nidavellir, the only place capable of forging a device strong enough to hold the Infinity Stones.…Thanos specifically sought Loki to launch the attack on Earth. The Mad Titan wasn’t aiming for the 2-for-1 Mind/Space Stone deal he pitched to Loki, he was secretly plotting to create a rift in the Asgardian royal family. Thanos’s ultimate goal was to invade Nidavellir and force Eitri to make the Infinity Gauntlet, but he can’t subjugate the forge while it still has a defense pact with Asgard.
“You were supposed to protect us, Asgard was supposed to protect us.” - Eitri to Thor (Infinity War, 2018)"
6. The TVA And ‘Endgame’s’ Time Shenanigans Work Well Together If The TVA Needed Tony Stark To Give Birth To Time Travel So They Could Live
Source: Marvel StudioRedditor /u/Ed_Derick_
"My explanation is that Nathaniel Richards (Kang/The One Who Remains) needs the time travel technology so the TVA can exist, and the only way he gets it, is if Tony Stark invents it. Remember, the Multiverse is in an infinite cycle of death and rebirth.
And things need to play out exactly like the last time, so Nathaniel Richards can become The One Who Remains, and create the TVA. He made Infinity War, so Tony Stark could have a motivation to create time travel because he must have figured out that Tony is the only human smart enough to do it. So in the 31st century, Kang can obtain that technology and improve it, so he can create the Time Doors, and become the one who decides the fate of everyone.
So, all the Avengers have been through, all those deaths and battles, had the purpose of allowing The One Who Remains to create the TVA and restart the cycle. And don't forget that concept art that shows Iron Man's helmet in Kang's room, showing that he is a big fan of him - probably because if it wasn't for Tony's time-traveling technology, there would be no TVA."
7. If Thanos Noticed About The TVA, Then His 'Inevitable' Line Was Explained
Source: Marvel Studioan anonymous Redditor
"Thanos knew about the TVA and the multiple timelines.
Past-Thanos comes pretty quick to the conclusion that the Avengers time-traveled. He didn't have trouble believing time travel could exist, so this indicates he knows something about how it works.
When Thanos says he's inevitable, maybe it's because he knew his actions had to happen because of the sacred timeline."
8. If He Adopted Her For That Express Purpose Thanos’s Sacrifice Of Gamora Is More Miserable
Source: Marvel StudioRedditor /u/LemoLuke
Thanos knew the price that had to be paid for the Soul Stone, which is why he 'adopted' Gamora, knowing that he had no family or loved ones of his own.
However, in raising her, he found himself genuinely coming to love her and could not bring himself to harm her, so instead, he adopted Nebula and planned for the pair to seek out the Soul Stone together, with the intention of Gamora sacrificing her sister.…I also suspect that Thanos probably had a similar plan in place for Proxima Midnight and Corvus Glaive if Nebula and Gamora failed.
9. Captain Marvel Had A Reason While Not Showing Up On Earth
Source: Marvel StudioRedditor /u/dak0tah
"So, what was Carol doing for the first few weeks after the Snap? Well, probably trying to find out what happened to cause the Snap event. She had no reason to know that Thanos had gone to Earth with the Infinity Stones or even that the Avengers existed to try and stop him.
She probably thought she was one of the only people in the universe able to help and was contacting any other enhanced types or information centers she had discovered in the last 25 years.
I imagine she got the call from the pager right away and just assumed that Earth, like everywhere else, was suffering from the Snap and nothing else noteworthy was going on, hence why it was a low priority to go there.
When she finally arrived, they filled her in, and I presume Rocket had some way to locate the Milano so Carol could save Tony and Nebula."
10. A Theory *Totally* Saves Star-Lord, Turns His Greatest Mistake Into His Greatest Move
Source: Marvel StudioRedditor /u/HansDanz
"Doctor Strange saw all 14,000,605 outcomes of the battle and only foresaw one where the Avengers won. The fact that he didn’t stop Star-Lord from hitting Thanos already tells us this was part of the plan. But in what universe would stopping Spider-Man and Iron Man from getting the gauntlet be considered helpful?
Let’s think about what would happen if Star-Lord didn’t do the thing. The Avengers would have the Gauntlet off... and then what? They would have probably put it in some Avengers storage facility or separated the Stones and stored the Stones in different parts of the universe. This is all good until another cosmic conqueror (or Thanos, if he survived) comes looking for the Stones again, leading to another Infinity War.
This would probably cause more casualties in an endless cycle of villains attacking the locations of the Stones and the Avengers having to stop them, resulting in the deaths of countless innocents on the sidelines. I mean, Thanos literally destroyed Xandar just to get the Power Stone. Imagine that, but it happens over and over again.
But because Star-Lord let Thanos have the Stones, Thanos enacted his plan, which involved destroying all the Infinity Stones. Destroying them would be the only way to end the aforementioned cycle of villains fighting the Avengers over the Stones, since there aren’t any left. Hence, this would greatly decrease the number of casualties caused by the Stones."
11. A Snap-Accompanying Hex Justifies Thanos’s Claim That His Work Always Will Be Done
Source: Marvel StudioRedditor /u/guy_pal
"…What if the Snap didn’t just apply to those that were eliminated, but impacted everyone? The unsnapped were left with an ongoing, permanent curse for all time that would prevent them from returning to pre-Snap population levels. “The work is done and always will be.”
What would such a curse look like? I picture something like inescapable grief, a sort of unending lament for the dead. Or a nagging feeling in the back of your mind that Thanos was right. This knowledge eats at people who lost loved ones, knowing that it was necessary.
It might look like trash being left on the streets five years later while a very large, clean, and well-trafficked memorial is built. Captain America, the consummate fighter against injustice who never backs down from his ideals, becomes a literal grief counselor.
Black Widow nearly breaks down during a very basic status meeting. Thor can’t move on and locks himself in his house, getting fat in the process. The unsnapped don’t having the luxury of optimism.
Essentially, Thanos’s description of Gamora’s world after his visit - happy people and well-fed children - does not match the Post-Snap world we see in Endgame. Thanos’s plan, and his confidence that he could destroy the Infinity Stones because it worked, seems to say that the Snap applied universally and was not limited to half of all life.
I very much doubt he spent years coming up with this plan, only for it to fall apart to a very basic and obvious flaw, and more than likely accounted for the unsnapped when devising his scheme."
12. If There Wasn’t Any Time Travel To Begin With There Can’t Be Any Time Travel Paradoxes In ‘Endgame’
Source: Marvel StudioRedditor /u/Hickspy
"Scientifically, it makes more sense for what they did in Endgame to be dipping into another universe than it is for it to be time travel. When Bruce meets the Ancient One, and they have their conversation about the timeline they're in, she makes it sound like the biggest issue is removing the Infinity Stone from that timeline.
Not because it'll disrupt the flow of time, but because it will leave their reality defenseless. This runs contradictory to what Bruce said earlier in Endgame: "Think about it: If you travel to the past, that past becomes your future. And your former present becomes the past. Which can't now be changed by your new future."
So, what does that mean? It's a matter of perspective. If they (meaning the Avengers that are going back and forth between 'timelines') go into the past, and mess it up by removing the Infinity Stones, it won't have any effect on them. Who it will affect?
The Ancient One, because that means they have now created a universe where she doesn't have the Time Stone to defend Earth. She knows about the multiverse because of Sorcerer Supreme stuff. She's literally just looking out for her own.
This is further proved by the fact that, from a time travel standpoint, there's no way they can 'preserve' their own timelines after all the stuff they did in them. The things they did would have completely screwed up the flow of time.…These things reflect major changes that would've happened to the 'timeline.' So, either the idea of 'the past' is that nothing you do matters, or you can seriously screw it up. The ideas contradict each other. Steve Rogers putting the Infinity Stones back at the exact moments they were taken doesn't undo all the other stuff that happened in those times. The only way this makes sense is that if they are accidentally creating a new branch of the multiverse instead of traveling to their own pasts."
13. If He Utilized The Stones To Get The Stones Back, Cap’s Time Travel Adventures Are More Hilarious
Source: Marvel StudioRedditor /u/XipingVonHozzendorf
"It's been a constant joke, imagining how Steve Rogers put all the Infinity Stones back in the proper time after Endgame. But considering where the stones were, the only realistic explanation is that he must have used one or more of them to return them all.
For instance, the Soul Stone was at Vormir, but only attainable by sacrifice. He could have put it back and re-set the sacrifice system by using the Reality Stone. The same thing goes with creating the Tesseract cube for the Space Stone and the Orb for the Power Stone. I'm sure some combination of them could be used to infect Natalie Portman without stabbing her again.
In regards to being able to do it, I think that combined with Tony's technology in the time travel suit, Steve could handle at least one Infinity Stone at a time."
14. If He Had To Make Himself Love Gamora With The Mind Stone, Thanos Could Be More Flawed
Source: Marvel StudioRedditor /u/Lorix_In_Oz
"Thanos learned the Soul Stone would require him to sacrifice another soul he loved in order to claim it even before he knew where it was. He adopted Gamora with this intention, using the Mind Stone already in his possession to make himself care for her, possibly erasing his own memory of this."
15. Captain America’s ‘Endgame’ Time Adventures Explains Some Oddities Earlier In The Franchise
Source: Marvel StudioRedditor /u/LogicDog
"If Steve Rogers/Captain America not only went back in time, but to a different timeline at the end of Endgame (as he is officially said to have done), then that means that there are TWO Steve Rogers' in that alternate timeline; one from the main MCU timeline, and one still in the ice when main MCU Steve arrived (possibly kept there as backup by "main" Steve).
The deleted scene [from The Incredible Hulk] of Hulk unearthing Cap from the ice might actually be a scene from the other timeline Steve traveled to, and that is the "original" Cap from that timeline who we see being uncovered.
In fact, the entire Incredible Hulk movie could simply be parallel/similar events to what happened in the main MCU timeline, which would also account for the different actors playing Bruce Banner.
One of the changes to Cap's arrival in the '40s of that timeline was something as simple as Bruce being born of a different sperm cell, due to being conceived at a slightly different time, and thus having different features but still living a mostly parallel life (with some minor differences)."
16. The Error Of Two Scott Langs In The ‘Endgame’ Battle Can Be Resolved By A Giant Luis
Source: Marvel StudioRedditor /u/hockeytalkie"
"There are four KEY pieces of evidence that support this theory:• The goof itself.• That mean left-hook that "Scott Lang" throws at the Leviathan in Endgame. Luis is perhaps the best non-powered puncher in the MCU.• Luis has professed a desire to get a suit of his own in the past, and we know there are multiple Ant-Man suits out there to be had.• We already have the perfect method through which to reveal all this in Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania via a classic Luis soft jazz voiceover recap.
Here's how it would go down:
Sometime after returning in Endgame, Scott Lang checks in on Luis. Of course he does, Luis is his best friend. (Maybe he finds out that Luis has been looking out for Cassie in Scott's absence. Aww.) At some point in the last five years, Luis has got his hands on one of the Ant-Man suits, presumably in a clumsy attempt to continue Scott's legacy. Scott, before leaving on the Time Heist, lets Luis know what's about to happen, and probably gives him a message to pass on to Cassie if he can't make it back. Luis, not wanting to miss out on the Second Snap, starts heading to the New Avengers Compound to catch the action.
He shows up moments after Thanos's attack, puts on the suit, and hears Scott's calls for help through the helmet. It is Luis, not Scott, who goes giant-sized to rescue Hulk, War Machine, and Rocket (along with Scott, who is too small to see onscreen), demonstrating how much skill he's picked up in the five-year gap. He also got in shape, by the way, enough so that you can't immediately distinguish his figure from Paul Rudd's lithe frame. From there on out, there are two Ant/Giant-Men on the scene, and it's just too chaotic for anyone to really notice (except astute viewers). When it's over, Luis peaces out, rather than deal with the heavy emotional burden of watching Iron Man die."